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>> we have a statement from john boehner's office. they're saying that they have made a counter proposal now to the white house. let me read you the statement. they say, we sent the white house a counter offer that would achieve tax and entitlement reform to solve our looming debt crisis and create more american jobs. this from the speaker's office. they are also saying that their offer now today was in response to a new offer from the white house. we know that the ap is also reporting that at least partial offers have been exchanged between the two sides over the past two days. so, clearly, what we know here is that paper is changing hands and the deal making is actually happening right now. what we don't know is what the content of that deal is. and speaker's office telling me right now that they're not going to be able to provide any detail on what was in that counter offer, so, behind the scenes, the mystery continues here. >> so, again, we're not necessarily zeroing in on exactly where that revenue comes from, we don't know if it
>> we have a statement from john boehner's office. they're saying that they have made a counter proposal now to the white house. let me read you the statement. they say, we sent the white house a counter offer that would achieve tax and entitlement reform to solve our looming debt crisis and create more american jobs. this from the speaker's office. they are also saying that their offer now today was in response to a new offer from the white house. we know that the ap is also reporting...
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boehner's already said he put revenue on the table. read the bob woodward book, the price of politics. it showed that boehner went much further than any republican has been willing to go when it comes to revenue and funding the government. the second issue when it comes to president obama saying we want to return back to the clinton era rates, it wasn't the rates that netted government revenue. it was unprecedented economic growth in the tech bubble. so the brilliance of this -- >> and no war. >> well, that's -- that's the rate question. the income to government. spending side of the equation. if we simply return back to the spending rates as a percentage of our economy of the clinton era, this thing would be fixed like that. >> that's what we keep hearing. anyway, representative, good to have you on the program. >> thanks for having me. >> can't wait to hear what the traders have to say about this. "fast money halftime report" with scott wapner and the crew begins right now. >>> all right, brian and thanks so much. welcome to "halftim
boehner's already said he put revenue on the table. read the bob woodward book, the price of politics. it showed that boehner went much further than any republican has been willing to go when it comes to revenue and funding the government. the second issue when it comes to president obama saying we want to return back to the clinton era rates, it wasn't the rates that netted government revenue. it was unprecedented economic growth in the tech bubble. so the brilliance of this -- >> and no...
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>> president obama and representative boehner have announced and boehner's office confirmed they will meet at the white house today at 5:00 p.m. eastern right after -- right after the closing bell, bill. >> right after. >> the point is the house has said they are going away for a long weekend tomorrow, and here we have boehner -- >> wait, don't go yet. >> getting this meeting in at 5:00 p.m., and it's amazing the market came halfway back just on that announcement. not that we have details of a deal, not that we know that we're having an agreement. just the fact that they are meeting. >> actually i thought they would come off the loews much more. >> you did. >> cut it in half, but it stalled here. >> we need more detail. it is encouraging. >> yeah. >> that they are talking. i mean, as long as you've got them in the same room. now, you know, john boehner has said he's leaving tomorrow, come hell or high water. he's going back home to get red for christmas. he says, you know, there is a telephone. >> not leaving for a long weekend. >> you can negotiate over the telephone? >> can't do it.
>> president obama and representative boehner have announced and boehner's office confirmed they will meet at the white house today at 5:00 p.m. eastern right after -- right after the closing bell, bill. >> right after. >> the point is the house has said they are going away for a long weekend tomorrow, and here we have boehner -- >> wait, don't go yet. >> getting this meeting in at 5:00 p.m., and it's amazing the market came halfway back just on that announcement....
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boehner stepped in front of the microphone the day after the election and this market tanked. that's a clear signal to washington they better get it right. >> i think ben is right on the money. this is basically what is happening. there's an enormous amount of room for disappointment in this market. this market is expecting a deal. i don't know why all of the sudden today we get this triple-digit move as if something is happening. if we don't get a deal, how big of a sell-off can we see? >> well, we've seen the t.a.r.p. disappointment. we've seen the debt ceiling disappointment. i think if we go over the cliff, we're going to have a very big sell-off, then the politicians are going to go, hey, we're here to the rescue. >> what's fueling this optimism then? >> i think we have seen the idea that the market has voted to tell washington they need to get it right with the sell-offs we have seen. the anticipation is they want to get re-elected. they understand the republicans now have detectors. again, the market is saying we with believe in you. don't screw this up. >> all right. y
boehner stepped in front of the microphone the day after the election and this market tanked. that's a clear signal to washington they better get it right. >> i think ben is right on the money. this is basically what is happening. there's an enormous amount of room for disappointment in this market. this market is expecting a deal. i don't know why all of the sudden today we get this triple-digit move as if something is happening. if we don't get a deal, how big of a sell-off can we see?...
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we just talked about it with john boehner. does that help or hurt? >> home run for exchange trade for two reasons. whatever happens on the fiscal cliff, whatever they get their act together to do, two things will happen. tax rates will go up on capital gains and dividend. etfs or more tax efficient, more people will follow into that place. i also think some people trapped in mutual funds because they have low tax basis will do tax gains harvesting, realize their gains, pay 15% and move that money finally into cheaper, more tax efficient and better profits etf has to offer. >> trader talk column, trader talk cnbc.com in a few moments. that's what's hot, etfs. back to you. >> we look forward to that very much. thanks, guys. gold market selling off a little bit. at the close, sharon epperson tracking the action at the nymex. moving into stocks and out of the metals. >> they are. we're seeing a little bit of weakness in the gold futures price. gold etfs held up steadily over the last several weebs as well as record levels, in fact. in term of the flat pr
we just talked about it with john boehner. does that help or hurt? >> home run for exchange trade for two reasons. whatever happens on the fiscal cliff, whatever they get their act together to do, two things will happen. tax rates will go up on capital gains and dividend. etfs or more tax efficient, more people will follow into that place. i also think some people trapped in mutual funds because they have low tax basis will do tax gains harvesting, realize their gains, pay 15% and move...
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boehner. boehner that low? >> it's remarkable. there is some subjectivity that goes with this but i think that's very interesting. the other folks that you mentioned. bloomberg fascinates me. >> bloomberg more power than bainer? really? >> i don't know about more power but think about the interesting position that bloomberg's in. he's got a year left on this third term that he has figured out a way to have. he's a publisher. he's a 15th richest guy -- most powerful guy on our list, one of the richest men in the world. >> and a quick thought on ilan musk -- we've heard his name but he doesn't get a lot of attention. why is he in the top 70? >> when you think about the entrepreneurial ethos that forbes tries to represent, the people, places and companies that we try to describe an entrepreneurs in particular, here's a guy who founded paypal. here's a guy who's at the front of the tesla automobile. he's now moving cargo through space. filling the void that nasa has left. >> it's like watch what he does zblep's going to be the railroa
boehner. boehner that low? >> it's remarkable. there is some subjectivity that goes with this but i think that's very interesting. the other folks that you mentioned. bloomberg fascinates me. >> bloomberg more power than bainer? really? >> i don't know about more power but think about the interesting position that bloomberg's in. he's got a year left on this third term that he has figured out a way to have. he's a publisher. he's a 15th richest guy -- most powerful guy on our...
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boehner is demanding more details on spending cuts. the administration has made expensive proposals to reduce spending, but the republicans haven't offered specifics on revenue hikes. >>> today the federal reserve wraps up its two-day meeting with a decision at 12:30 eastern followed by updated economic projections from fomc members at 2:00 p.m. and ben bernanke's press briefing at quarter past. the fed is expected to announce a new round of bond purchases as its latest program, operation twist, is set to expire at the end of the month. cnbc will begin at 12:00 p.m. eastern. >>> joining us is stewart richardson, partner at rpmg. the press conference -- we'll hear a fresh round of stimulus from the fed. how significant would that be? >> in my mind it's not that significant. i think as optics, people think this is another addition to the stimulus. the fact is that the fed for months and months and months when they go out to purchase longer term treasuries, they're trying to reduce the supply of those in the market and effectively swap sh
boehner is demanding more details on spending cuts. the administration has made expensive proposals to reduce spending, but the republicans haven't offered specifics on revenue hikes. >>> today the federal reserve wraps up its two-day meeting with a decision at 12:30 eastern followed by updated economic projections from fomc members at 2:00 p.m. and ben bernanke's press briefing at quarter past. the fed is expected to announce a new round of bond purchases as its latest program,...
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not boehner. and the president went back and tried to jam boehner, because he thought there was division in the ranks. so one of the challenges that boehner or mitch mcconnell has is you need to be one voice as the president's one voice but you have a lot of members. >> what about hedge funds? don't raise the rates, just make them pay the rates. make them pay ordinary income. i'm always surprised, you convert ordinary income rates to capital gains, that's not what people do. just pay ordinary, right? you agree to that. they don't have to raise the rates. >> did you readed article that harvard is the hedge fund that has the university on the side? >> i don't know. >> $27 billion hedge fund. >> you agree with me they ought to switch the rate with ordinary income. >> i'm not -- look, it's a tax increase but you can offset it by tax cuts elsewhere. you could do tax reform in such a way that long as it doesn't net money to the government. if the government sees additional cash they go, oh, and they dro
not boehner. and the president went back and tried to jam boehner, because he thought there was division in the ranks. so one of the challenges that boehner or mitch mcconnell has is you need to be one voice as the president's one voice but you have a lot of members. >> what about hedge funds? don't raise the rates, just make them pay the rates. make them pay ordinary income. i'm always surprised, you convert ordinary income rates to capital gains, that's not what people do. just pay...
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any time that boehner doesn't come out and say, we're nowhere, that's good. these things are going to get done in private. both sides need to leap off a bridge here. the republicans need to some how figure out how they're going to let the top rates go up. democrats need to swallow some changes to entitlement programs, raising the retirement age or changes. the less we hear, the better, in the next few days on the negotiations. as soon as you hear leaks saying these guys are too far apart, that's the problem. if we hear nothing, that's actually pretty good. >> are we starting to see the beginning of the gop move into the center with the comments over the weekend from senator corker and this morning, letting the tax rates go higher so the shift can be, the time shift can be spent on entitlements. >> the republicans some how want democrats to say what they want to cut on entitlements first, that's not going to happen. republicans need to ask for that. corker has always been a little bit more moderate. it's not that surprising to hear it from him. it would be mor
any time that boehner doesn't come out and say, we're nowhere, that's good. these things are going to get done in private. both sides need to leap off a bridge here. the republicans need to some how figure out how they're going to let the top rates go up. democrats need to swallow some changes to entitlement programs, raising the retirement age or changes. the less we hear, the better, in the next few days on the negotiations. as soon as you hear leaks saying these guys are too far apart,...
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. >> john boehner and president obama speaking by phone, but no announcement of any upcoming face to face budget talks. earlier the president told the business round table that a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff could be reached quickly if republicans drop their opposition to raising tax rates on the wealthy. and in an interview on cnbc, timothy geithner says the gop is making a little bit of practice, but the white house is absolutely ready to go over the cliff if tax rates on the top 2% don't rise. >> our obligation is first do no harl. we need to lift that threat over the economy. and now as part of that, we'd like to put in place as i said a carefully designed mix of reforms to put our fiscal balance in the path of sustainability. as long as there is recognition by the other side that those rates will go up, we think we can reach an agreement on the set of reforms as i said that will be good for the economy. >> republicans were quick to hit back. orrin hatch called them stunning and irresponsible, but there may be more cracks in the ranks. "washington post" reports some moderate an
. >> john boehner and president obama speaking by phone, but no announcement of any upcoming face to face budget talks. earlier the president told the business round table that a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff could be reached quickly if republicans drop their opposition to raising tax rates on the wealthy. and in an interview on cnbc, timothy geithner says the gop is making a little bit of practice, but the white house is absolutely ready to go over the cliff if tax rates on the top 2%...
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boehner responded with a plan that largely sticks to his original offer a week ago. reports say the white house has told republicans it would include an overhaul of corporate taxes in any budget deal. that hasn't been done before. in an exclusive interview with barbara walters of abc news, president obama says he still expects a deal before the end of the year. >> i remain optimistic that there are enough people of goodwill in this town that recognize our economy will be much better off. american families will be much better off if we get this done. the most important thing we can do is make sure that middle-class taxes do not go up on january 1. and i'm pretty confident that republicans would not hold middle-class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for high-income individuals. >> prediction -- are you going to be able to raise taxes, yes or no? >> oh -- taxes are going to go up one way or the other. >> they are? >> i think the key is to make sure that taxes go up on high-end individuals like you and me, barbara. we can afford it. >> you can see the rest of tha
boehner responded with a plan that largely sticks to his original offer a week ago. reports say the white house has told republicans it would include an overhaul of corporate taxes in any budget deal. that hasn't been done before. in an exclusive interview with barbara walters of abc news, president obama says he still expects a deal before the end of the year. >> i remain optimistic that there are enough people of goodwill in this town that recognize our economy will be much better off....
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. >> that's going to be the question that boehner has to deal with. the president will have to deal with the far wings of his party. boehner started doing it. did you see they removed two tea party members from the budget committee? >> i don't want to raise taxes to fund 25% of gdp. >> and actually, the american taxpayers are being told to pay their fair share. they want to see real entitlement reform as well. but you have to deal with the issue on the table. i mean, the spending right now is a percentage of gdp is 24%. it's projected to go substantially higher. do you know that medicare and medicaid didn't exist 50 years ago and they're now a quarter of the federal budget? >> i know. it was supposed to be supplemental. david walker was on the other day talking about obama care which is supposed to save us a trillion dollars and the actual cost, what it added the our entitlement is 12 trillion. just that we did in the last two years. or whenever it was. >> but in terms of where we are now in this negotiation, i believe that both sides in the final ana
. >> that's going to be the question that boehner has to deal with. the president will have to deal with the far wings of his party. boehner started doing it. did you see they removed two tea party members from the budget committee? >> i don't want to raise taxes to fund 25% of gdp. >> and actually, the american taxpayers are being told to pay their fair share. they want to see real entitlement reform as well. but you have to deal with the issue on the table. i mean, the...
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comments are very interesting around boehner taking those actions around tea party members in the house. that's substantial. i think at the end of the day it will all come down to means testing. means testing on dividends, means testing on medicare, means testing on social security. that's the way they come to agreement. if you add up all the means testing moves on social security an medicare, that gets but $800 million right there. >> what's the cliff doing to gold? gold's been obviously an interesting trade over the last several sessions. it's been down $30 or so a couple different times. cliff related or something else going on? >> i think it's definitely more economically related. if you look over the last year, take morgan stanley five-year cds versus gold. every time we've had a rise in systemic risk, gold has fallen. over the last month or so, the financial cds, big banks of the united states, that's improved. so there's less global systemic risk, less lehman like risk. but gold has been acting poorly along with oil. so a lot of the economically sensitive under -- indicators are
comments are very interesting around boehner taking those actions around tea party members in the house. that's substantial. i think at the end of the day it will all come down to means testing. means testing on dividends, means testing on medicare, means testing on social security. that's the way they come to agreement. if you add up all the means testing moves on social security an medicare, that gets but $800 million right there. >> what's the cliff doing to gold? gold's been obviously...
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speaker boehner is about to speak. here he is. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and our jobs, the white house has wasted another week. you know, eight days ago secretary geithner came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that the president campaigned on. it had more stimulus spending than it had in cuts. and an indefinite, infinite increase in the debt limit like forever. four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then there's been no counteroffer from the white house. instead reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow-walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code and cutting spending, the president wants to raise tax rates. but even if the president got the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we would continue to see trillion-dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. listen. washington's got a spending probl
speaker boehner is about to speak. here he is. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and our jobs, the white house has wasted another week. you know, eight days ago secretary geithner came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that the president campaigned on. it had more stimulus spending than it had in cuts. and an indefinite, infinite increase in the debt limit like forever. four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of...
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speaker boehner commenting earlier this hour about the fiscal cliff negotiations. let's listen. >> this plan does not fulfill his promise to bring a balanced approach to solving this problem. it's mainly tax hikes. and as planned, does not begin to solve our debt crisis. it actually increases spending. >> joined now by an incoming member of the senate, jeff flake, representing arizona's sixth district. good morning. glad to have you. >> thanks for having me on. >> awfully tough to get a read this morning. a lot of the public commentary has been critical, as you know. but we are seeing signs that at least the talks are progressing. we've got counteroffers going back and forth. are you more or less optimistic than you were, say, last week? >> i've gone back and forth week to week. thinking we'll get a deal. then we won't. today, i think it's probably just better than 50/50 that we get a deal. it likely won't be until after christmas. >> yeah, the calendar -- that seems to be the issue right now. you're running out of time to get it done this year. >> it looks like it
speaker boehner commenting earlier this hour about the fiscal cliff negotiations. let's listen. >> this plan does not fulfill his promise to bring a balanced approach to solving this problem. it's mainly tax hikes. and as planned, does not begin to solve our debt crisis. it actually increases spending. >> joined now by an incoming member of the senate, jeff flake, representing arizona's sixth district. good morning. glad to have you. >> thanks for having me on. >>...
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i'm talking to lawmakers here on the hill who say it probably strengthens speaker boehner's hand to go out and make a deal with the president. we've seen some rancor in the ranks on the right from the speaker dealing with sort of an insurrection yesterday. this might give him a bit of wiggle room for negotiations. i want to show you this video here. this is members of congress departing capitol hill today. they're heading off for the rest of the week. they are not in session anymore. no more votes, no more committee meetings. it is all negotiations behind scenes between the top leaders and the president. so the rank and file are being sent home. meanwhile, one of the key republican leaders said this morning that despite the fact that everybody's leaving here in the capitol, the next couple of days are going to be absolutely crucial. take a listen. >> you want the answer to solving the fiscal cliff? we put an offer on the table. the president now has to engage. i think the next 72 hours are critical. if he sits back and continues to play politics, that will give you your answer where we
i'm talking to lawmakers here on the hill who say it probably strengthens speaker boehner's hand to go out and make a deal with the president. we've seen some rancor in the ranks on the right from the speaker dealing with sort of an insurrection yesterday. this might give him a bit of wiggle room for negotiations. i want to show you this video here. this is members of congress departing capitol hill today. they're heading off for the rest of the week. they are not in session anymore. no more...
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i just want to say that, again, boehner offered $800 billion. that's about the amount that taxes on the upper 2% are. so now he's negotiating north of that. i mean, the best place for republicans to be, to me, is to pass the rate increases, be done with it. the number's probably much smaller than it's ultimately going to be negotiated. then we still are focused on the right thing which is entitlement changes. again, i hope the president's going to come to the table, candidly. here we are. every developed country in the world knows this is the greatest threat to our nation. economists on both sides of the aisle know this is the greatest threat in our nation. and hopefully they'll solve this. but right now, there's no question in my mind that the president has the slight upper hand in the negotiations, and my point was, there's a way of changing that leverage very, very quickly by the house sending over a bill that freezes rates on the 98% of the population that are going to be affected. >> senator, in terms of the top 2%, how much do you see the
i just want to say that, again, boehner offered $800 billion. that's about the amount that taxes on the upper 2% are. so now he's negotiating north of that. i mean, the best place for republicans to be, to me, is to pass the rate increases, be done with it. the number's probably much smaller than it's ultimately going to be negotiated. then we still are focused on the right thing which is entitlement changes. again, i hope the president's going to come to the table, candidly. here we are. every...
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. >> the republicans spoke just a minute ago, john boehner saying his fellow republicans do in fact, as we watch the president work the room ahead of his remarks, they do back his opposition to raising rates outright. this chatter that the coalition is fraying, how complicating is that? the question is whether it frays enough to caught a fundamental shift in strategy. i think at the end of the dahl the republicans will give on higher rates. the question is when? does 2 happen before december 31st? in which case republicans and conservatives would argue republicans are agreeing to a tax increase. does it happen after january 1st when rates will have already risen? and if they cut them to 37% top rate, then republicans could say, hey, we just cut taxes. that's really the question. the president has made an argument that it is not practical to get all the money he wants from merely closing loopholes and deductions. he's said different things in the past. he's acknowledged significant amounts of money can be raised through closing loopholes. can you get it done quickly? by the end of the
. >> the republicans spoke just a minute ago, john boehner saying his fellow republicans do in fact, as we watch the president work the room ahead of his remarks, they do back his opposition to raising rates outright. this chatter that the coalition is fraying, how complicating is that? the question is whether it frays enough to caught a fundamental shift in strategy. i think at the end of the dahl the republicans will give on higher rates. the question is when? does 2 happen before...
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so when boehner comes out and gives his talk right after the election -- >> but honestly, the administration has criticized the republicans because there are no specifics in the spending cuts. >> come on, look. the erskine bowles language -- you know how this works. house republicans are will -- >> give me one. >> i won't play that game and here's why. house republicans -- house republicans are willing to sit . house republicans are willing to sit down. they're not any more anxious to deal with the cuts and pass the cuts than anybody else is but we demonstrated through the ryan budget, we did it once, we did it twice -- >> i'll give you that point. i wish everybody would stop talking about this in public and get behind closed doors and actually make this happen. i can't believe the amount of tough that is talking, the tough talk, we'll go over the cliff, we'll go over the cliff. >> let me ask you a point. it's a fiscal speed bump a $600 billion tax we need. the real thing we're headed for is the long-term progress we have to make. i'm very concerned the atmosphere is very poisoned the $600 b
so when boehner comes out and gives his talk right after the election -- >> but honestly, the administration has criticized the republicans because there are no specifics in the spending cuts. >> come on, look. the erskine bowles language -- you know how this works. house republicans are will -- >> give me one. >> i won't play that game and here's why. house republicans -- house republicans are willing to sit . house republicans are willing to sit down. they're not any...
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. >>> talks between the white house and house speaker john boehner's office having been increasing. the discussions have become more serious and both sides still face major differences. there's an office peace by republican senator portman in the "wall street journal." while he disagrees with president obama's call to raise taxes on top earners, quote, the negotiations require a good and take. still to me it sounds like a lot of the same. but we'll leave it there. they will be leading off every hour with a special mission critical rise above report talking to lawmakers pushing them as to why there is no deal to avoid the fiscal cliff and explain what's at stake. i think they may be chasing people down the halls to some extent. >> to be a fly on the wall. >> i guess it's more. we will hear becky personally. >> becky will remind us what's going on today. a pen fee of them will go october trade sales. the like day for earning, that's due before the opening sales. >> always a good read. >>> protests in egypt's tahrir square turns to violence this morning with nine reportedly injured fro
. >>> talks between the white house and house speaker john boehner's office having been increasing. the discussions have become more serious and both sides still face major differences. there's an office peace by republican senator portman in the "wall street journal." while he disagrees with president obama's call to raise taxes on top earners, quote, the negotiations require a good and take. still to me it sounds like a lot of the same. but we'll leave it there. they will...